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[volt-nuts] Valhalla 2734A
David C. Partridge
2012-08-18 00:33:04 UTC
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Does anyone know anything about this? Any manuals to be found (I failed) :(

Thanks
David Partridge
Will
2012-08-18 09:15:21 UTC
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Reasonably priced back then but the stability was horrible. Based on
LM399 series zeners as far as I remember (but that was a long time
ago).
Post by David C. Partridge
Does anyone know anything about this? Any manuals to be found (I failed) :(
Thanks
David Partridge
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Bill Gold
2012-08-18 23:50:50 UTC
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David:

I bought a Valhalla 2734A in June of 2003 for $270. I soon found out that it wasn't as stable as Valhalla would like you to believe. It does meet specs but week to week stability is around 0.5 ppm, up and down. The Fluke 732A is much more stable on a week to week basis. I found this out after buying a few 732A's.

A few years back I opened the 2734A up and looked inside the ovenized reference. I remember seeing it using 4 each 1N827 (or something close to that) zener diodes. Then there was an opamp for each diode to raise the 6.2 volts of the zener up to 7 volts and allow adjustment to exactly 7 volts. Then these 4 opamp outputs were being summed into another opamp that raises the total to 10 volts and allows adjustment to exactly 10 volts. All of this was inside of an oven that was running at around 45 degrees centigrade. It seemed very room temperature sensitive and there was no insulation around the oven assembly so I added some insulation around the oven to try to help this problem.

I kept looking for a manual, as Valhalla won't even acknowledge that they ever made this instrument. I finally found one from Tucker Electronics for $25. The manual does not show anything about the reference board assembly and tells you to replace this item as a unit. They do tell you how to adjust the instrument.

I think that the 732A is a much better instrument. I can scan in my manual if you need it and email it to you as a pdf. I can't scan "B" size prints so I would have to break these into 2 pages.

Bill
Robert Atkinson
2012-08-19 09:11:56 UTC
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Hi

Sounds like the Valhalla is a candidate for a LM399 or LTZ1000 transplant if you can get one at the right price. As others have shown an ovened "plain" zener can work, but only if you test, burn-in and test again to find the good ones and adjust the current for the individual diode. Sounds like Valhall went for the statistical approach.

Robert G8RPI.



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Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] Valhalla 2734A

David:

? ? I bought a Valhalla 2734A in June of 2003 for $270.? I soon found out that it wasn't as stable as Valhalla would like you to believe.? It does meet specs but week to week stability is around 0.5 ppm, up and down.? The Fluke 732A is much more stable on a week to week basis.? I found this out after buying a few 732A's.

? ? A few years back I opened the 2734A up and looked inside the ovenized reference.? I remember seeing it using 4 each 1N827 (or something close to that) zener diodes.? Then there was an opamp for each diode to raise the 6.2 volts of the zener up to 7 volts and allow adjustment to exactly 7 volts.? Then these 4 opamp outputs were being summed into another opamp that raises the total to 10 volts and allows adjustment to exactly 10 volts.? All of this was inside of an oven that was running at around 45 degrees centigrade.? It seemed very room temperature sensitive and there was no insulation around the oven assembly so I added some insulation around the oven to try to help this problem.

? ? I kept looking for a manual, as Valhalla won't even acknowledge that they ever made this instrument.? I finally found one from Tucker Electronics for $25.? The manual does not show anything about the reference board assembly and tells you to replace this item as a unit.? They do tell you how to adjust the instrument.

? ? I think that the 732A is a much better instrument.? I can scan in my manual if you need it and email it to you as a pdf.? I can't scan "B" size prints so I would have to break these into 2 pages.

Bill
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Will
2012-08-20 12:24:24 UTC
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I don't remember the details but the voltage step up had some design
flaw too. Bill seems to have a 2734A on hand, so maybe he can tell us
more. I am pretty sure I have one in my garage but I couldn't locate
it. I saved it when it was trashed at work just a year after the
purchase because of the previously mentioned stability problems.
Post by Robert Atkinson
Hi
Sounds like the Valhalla is a candidate for a LM399 or LTZ1000 transplant if
you can get one at the right price. As others have shown an ovened "plain"
zener can work, but only if you test, burn-in and test again to find the
good ones and adjust the current for the individual diode. Sounds like
Valhall went for the statistical approach.
Robert G8RPI.
Charles P. Steinmetz
2012-08-19 20:09:00 UTC
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I can scan in my [Fluke 732A] manual if you need it and email it to
you as a pdf. I can't scan "B" size prints so I would have to break
these into 2 pages.
The 732A manual is available on the Fluke USA web site:

<http://www.fluke.com/fluke_www/manualsdownload_web2.asp?location=732A____imeng0000.pdf&Manual_Ver_ID=2821&language=English&UserLanguage=en&Supplement=false>

Best regards,

Charles
Bill Gold
2012-08-19 20:43:56 UTC
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All:

Sorry for the confusion. I can scan my "Valhalla 2734A" manual if necessary.

Bill
Charles P. Steinmetz
2012-08-19 21:17:29 UTC
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Post by Bill Gold
I can scan my "Valhalla 2734A" manual if necessary.
Sorry, Bill, I misunderstood your offer. The Valhalla 2734A manual
seems to be hard to come by, so if you are able to scan it and post
it to Didier's site I'm sure many volt nuts would be appreciative!

<http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/01%29_Upload_Instructions.php>

Best regards,

Charles
Bill Gold
2012-08-20 20:40:16 UTC
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All:

I have uploaded my scan of the Valhalla 2734A manual to Didier's ko4bb.com site.

I would imagine it will be available as soon as he checks it and files it.

Bill

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